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How to Master Your Money Mindset and Create Financial Safety as a CEO

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Financial Wellness Without Shame: How to Heal Your Money Story and Regulate Your Nervous System

What if financial literacy was the missing piece in your wellness routine?

In this powerful episode of The Tarryn Reeves Show, I’m joined by Sarah Penfold — a former wilderness guide turned project manager and now passionate money coach — to explore how our financial habits, mindset, and nervous system are deeply connected. From growing up in a multi-generational farming family to becoming a leader in financial empowerment, Sarah shares how she transformed her relationship with money — and how you can too.

We dive deep into the psychology of money, the emotional blocks keeping you stuck, and practical strategies for managing your finances without shame, fear, or burnout. Plus, we unpack how financial wellness is the missing link in traditional self-care and why understanding your money patterns is an act of radical self-love.

If you're an entrepreneur, changemaker, or anyone ready to feel safe and empowered with your finances — this is your episode.

In this episode, you'll learn:

  • Why money is still the last taboo in wellness — and how to change that

  • How financial avoidance shows up in high performers

  • The connection between financial stress and your nervous system

  • Sarah’s 3-pronged framework for true financial wellness

  • Practical nervous system regulation tools to help you make better money decisions

  • The mindset shift that helped Sarah clear 7 years of back taxes and build real financial security

  • Why your childhood programming may be holding your bank account hostage

  • How to build money habits that stick (and don’t feel soul-crushing)

Book Drop: Sarah recommends Boundary Boss by Terri Cole — a must-read for any woman learning to reclaim her power.

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Welcome to the Tarryn Reeves Show, the podcast for elite entrepreneurs, visionary leaders, and high impact CEOs who are ready to grow their brand, amplify their message, and build a legacy. I'm your host, Tarryn Reeves, multiple international bestselling author, publishing strategist and founder of Automatic Authority Publishing and Press House. Each week we dive into powerful conversations with trailblazing entrepreneurs and change makers who are using storytelling. To scale their business and impact. So grab your favorite drink, settle in, and get ready for a dose of inspiration, strategy, and the truth behind what it really takes to turn your wisdom into wealth. All right, we have got Sarah Penfold on the show today, who is a former wilderness guide turned project management professional, and now a dedicated money coach who is on a mission to empower individuals to take control of their financial. Futures. After undergoing a profound transformation in her own relationship with money, Sarah experienced firsthand the freedom, confidence, and opportunities that come with financial clarity. Now, she's committed to helping purpose-driven individuals shift their mindset, develop smart money habits, and build lasting financial security. With a unique blend of adventure strategy and financial coaching, Sarah is passionate about guiding good people to become great with their money without stress, shame, or overwhelm. Sarah, welcome to the Tarn Show. Thank you so much for having me. It is an absolute pleasure. I'm excited to dive into things, financial and all of that, but before we even get there, how does one become a wilderness guide? To project management, to finances. Tell me about the journey. I know it, it's a really interesting one. I am a university dropout multiple times to like pursue different things. Finally ended up getting my degree in kinesiology. A major in outdoor pursuit. So I joke that it was a degree in gym class with a major in camping, but that really kind of led to the wilderness guides. Yeah, the wilderness guy part of my career, which is a lot of outdoor recreation management, so I was doing guiding in the western part of Canada and then up in Alaska for total. That was probably about eight or so years. And then. I moved to Vancouver where I still live and ended up getting a job at a retailer there. They were a big outdoor retailer and found myself in the operations department, opening stores, so that's when I got my project management professional. Designation and kind of found my niche there. And then it was in healing my own money journey that I became so passionate about helping other people. I just had so many ahas when I, when I really dove into it and I'm like, this needs to be talked about and taught more than it is 'cause it's such a taboo topic. It was for me for so many years, decades in fact. And when I finally. Unlocked all of it within myself. I'm like, I ha I just, you just feel that click when something is like, I need to do this, and I was not expecting it when it happened. I feel like it found me, you know? Yeah, definitely. Now, finances, like you said, are still such a taboo topic, um, which I just find. Flabbergasting really, and especially financial wellness because this is something that I know that you're very passionate about and it's really included in conversations about health and wellbeing. But there's finances and then there's health and wellbeing, but there's never really the conversation of the two together yet. It is one of the key factors for divorce, as an example, and has a profound effect on our mental, emotional, and then therefore our physical health in the long term. Why do you think it's been left out of the wellness conversation for so long? Oh, it's such a good question before I answer that. One of the things I realized with regards to the taboo aspect of it is I knew so many, not amazing, but like really intimate things about my friends, things that they had experienced that had been really challenging, that they hadn't told many people about, but we still had never talked about their money and their finances. And so I, I realized that it was so taboo and it's hard for me to say exactly why. I could speculate, like from all the reading that I've done, the way money has evolved over the years, um, the system has evolved. A lot of the things that happened with money and finances were innovation or innovative solutions to problems that existed. And some of them were well-intentioned. Some of them maybe not so much, but now I feel like. The system has sort of capitalized on ignorance that people have, and I don't think it was initially intended, but I feel like there is. There's a very. Definite advantage to the wealthy and the elite to kind of perpetuate this, these stereotypes around money that it's hard or that it's bad, or it's the root of volleyball because it keeps people from finding their power with their money and kind of staying in these old beliefs. So that's just my opinion. I can't say definitively one way or another, but that from what I've read and from what I've seen, that's kind of what I've come to feel about the whole situation. How does someone's financial situation impact their stress levels, their relationships, and their general overall wellbeing? Yeah, there's, so I'm in Vancouver, Canada. Like I said though, a lot of the steps that I referenced are North America or US usually, but one of the ones that I read recently was that 72%, and I suspect this is even low, because that you can use a bit of lag time for these stats to become public. A lot's happened since that start was published, but 72% of people in the US said that their finances was a contributor to their stress. And that's astonishing to me. When you think about the physical impacts that stress has on our health and our wellbeing, and as you mentioned, it's a major cause for relational. Discord and all that kind of stuff. So I became really passionate about presencing finance in the wellness industry because it really isn't talked about. There's lots of talk about manifestation and creating abundance, but it's well and good, and I do believe in it to a certain extent, but I don't believe in doing it in isolation without actually doing the hard skills of looking at your numbers and getting literate. And like that's the work. So that's kind of why I have created the programs and curriculum that I have. It's marrying all of the things together that your personal relationship as well as the really practical skills. So you're learning it all together. Yeah. That's beautiful. And so needed. Mm-hmm. I know that a lot of people experience, I suppose, anxiety or even avoidance. Avoidance is probably a better word. Yeah. When it comes to money. Yeah. What, in your opinion, some of the first steps that somebody can take to start improving their financial wellness, to kind of overcome these, I was gonna use the word blocks, but I hate that it's so overused. These conditionings if you like.'cause that's what it is. Well, I adamantly say that the first step is looking at your numbers, like looking at the income that you make and then, and then what your expenses are. It's simple, but it's not easy, and it's very, very confrontational, and that's why I think it's people avoid it so much because really you're confronted with the decisions you've made and kind of have to come to terms with that. But really, once you do that and you see where you're at, then you can start, like that's the jumping off point. That's when you can start making decisions and getting back into your power. Because what I see is that when people are overspending on their credit cards, I mean the stats, I can't remember what exactly, but it's something like, especially in North America, people are spending. 1.2 or like 20% more than they're earning, like they're in this constant state of overspend. It can be really hard and it's the necessary step. So when I do, when I teach people how to do that, I'm alongside about, I'm also teaching them literacy, so they're building their empowerment muscle as well as looking at some of these things that can be a little crunchy. Hmm. It just reminds me of this quote that I heard so long ago, well before I started my journey, and I knew it was true when I heard it, but I didn't understand how to implement it. And the quote was that living within your means as an act of self love. And I feel like self care and self love have been so commercialized to like spa days and face masks and. Bubble baths and whatever, and not that I wanna dis those things at all. I think they're important and they're often still avoidance tactics. Self-care is usually the thing that makes you feel a little uncomfortable or is a little bit of a work to do, right? Like it's the therapy, it's going to the gym and lifting the things. It's sitting with the difficult emotion and processing. It's the real self-care. But that doesn't get talked about too much again in the health of all this and stuff. Self, um, yeah, self born industries. So yeah. Now you have obviously had your own journey with money, which is how you ended up where you are in your own journey. What were the biggest mindset shifts that you had to make to transform your relationship with money? What did that look like for you? Yeah, great question. There was a couple. One is that I had to do a little digging into my familial history. So we may think that we are not taught about money because we haven't been taught the literacy pieces, like how credit scores work or how investing works. But what I like to say is that we're all taught about money, and we're taught about money from our family of origin. And so what I was taught consciously or subconsciously from my family of origin, specifically my dad's side, which is farmers and the farming industry, farmers work freaking hard, like physically hard. They're out in the tractors and they're out fields. So at least that's what the lineage was. And I'm talking like multi-generation farmers. And so there was a belief that I didn't consciously have, and when I uncovered it, I was like, oh. It was that the more money I make, the harder I'm going to have to work. Like there was a direct correlation between me making more money and physical output. And so it all felt exhausting, making more money. So I saw that and then I learned about the ways that I can make money without it being like, without that relationship like happening. Or that the more work and the, the more money happening at the same rate. Then the other thing that I learned was that, 'cause I had a version, and I think a lot of people do a version of this belief that money is the root of all evil. It could be that rich people are bad or rich people are corrupt, or there's all kinds of iterations. But the core of it is that money is bad. And what I learned mm-hmm is I had to tease apart that the system. That money operates in is different than money itself. And the system is a shit show. Like, I'm not here to say that it's not, there's corruption, there's manipulation and everything, but money is very, very different. And one of the questions that I ask people when they come at me with a belief like that is I said, okay, I'm gonna give you a million dollars tomorrow. No string attached. Yours a hundred percent tax free. Tell me all the things you're gonna do with it. And it's usually a beautiful list of, oh, I'm gonna pay off my best friend's debt, I'm gonna fix my dad's vehicle, I'm gonna pay off my mortgage, and I'm gonna travel with my friends and family, like all of these beautiful things, right? Um, I'm gonna contribute to this charity or this cause that I care about. And so I say, well, what's bad about that Then? If money is so bad and evil, what is bad about all these beautiful things that you're gonna do? And that really helps initiate that discussion about, like, teasing apart the, the fact that the system is different from money. And then you can focus on the money, the relationship with money specifically, and understanding the system. Which I also teach is really such an act of empowerment. So this is not a third belief that I had.'cause there was a little bit, I have a little bit of a like rebel archetype in me, right? Like the system. Yeah. And so there was a part of me that was justifying my, not poverty, but my financial struggle as like not engaging with the enemy, which was like the evil system. What I learned is that by becoming literate and understanding how it worked and using it to my advantage, which in a lot of cases it's built to do, you can, you can legally like understand the system and use your money in a way that's to your advantage and that was actually a bigger act approach than disengaging with it completely. So that's why I like to say that I wanna help good people get great their money, because I don't know, there's a part of me that just believes so strongly that if people who have all these beautiful intentions and ideas for how the world could be different are well-resourced with money, then that could make a big change in their immediate families and their communities and their cities, and on and on and on. Longwinded answer, but yeah. No. Well, it makes perfect sense when you word it like that, and when you stop and take time to think about your conditioned beliefs, then you can very clearly see that. To put it simply, they're stupid and unfounded. Realistically, quorum, it's a choice to do the word. Just like anything. Like if you know that you eat unhealthily, it's a choice to go to the gym to put more healthy things on your grocery list, to not buy the snack so it's not in the house, so you don't eat it. If you know that you struggle with anxiety. It's a choice. To whether or not you go to therapy, you take either western medicine or herbal medicine, you do yoga, you do breath work, whatever it is, all of those things are a choice, but it starts with awareness first. You know, awareness that I do struggle with these things, and then you have to be in enough pain with that thing that is making you unhappy in order to want to change. Yeah, because if there's one thing I know about students, it's that. We will not change unless we want to. I agree. Yeah, there's, 'cause I've done a lot of reading on change and habits and the thing that struck me is that there's sort of two motivators for change. Like you said, pain and discomfort or inspiration. And it's usually the former, it certainly was for me. I had tried a number of different things to, I knew I had a problem. I knew that I needed to get my money in order, and I had, was trying all these different things. I tried the woo, like I went full woo and signed up for, you know, someone's little manifestation program and I did the mattress and the writing and read the little things over and over and don't wanna discount it, but it didn't, it didn't move the marker. I felt, and in the end it, it ended up feeling scammy. Yeah. And then I hired someone to do, to help me create a system. So one of the things that was. Really big for me is that, was that I was really far behind in taxes. Like six years, I think. Seven returns. Yeah. Wow. Um, I was also midlife and looking down the back half of my career and having no idea what I was gonna need to keep myself safe. When I decided to retire and, and then the third for motivator for me was just feeling like, here I'm smart, I'm educated. I have a degree, I've done all this post-secondary education, but I feel really stupid when it comes to money. So that there was, there was shame there. So I just ended up being in, it got to the point where I was in just so much discomfort that, uh, I. Finally had to bite the bullet. Not that I hadn't been trying, but it's like, okay, no, I need someone seriously to like take me through step by step. And I found my mentor and she had the three-pronged approach, right? So it was the literacy, it was the systems, and it was this EQ piece because, so financial BQ is like that personal relationship with money, right? Like the belief's kind of what we've been talking about. What I realized is I just, I needed someone to tell me what to do. I had been, some of the other supports that I had called fired to help me. Were like just setting someone's setting up systems for me, which didn't actually empower me 'cause it wasn't helping me take control of my money. And so there's lots of coaches that are out there that will do that. Send them your numbers, they'll do everything for you. And I don't wanna knock it because I think it does work for some people. But I adamantly believe that if you're gonna become as like peak power sort of with your money, you have to do it. You know, I will tell you exactly what you need to do, but I'm not gonna do the work for you. The other thing I wanted to say, and you touched on it about choice, is, is this line Stop mine, but it hit me like it sounded bricks when I heard it. Was that what we're not changing, we're choosing and it's a gut punch because we don't like to think that, oh, I'm choosing to be in pain. I'm choosing to be to let my fitness drop. I'm choosing to like be unhealthy. You don't think like that, but it's true. And I don't, the caveat that I will say here, 'cause I'm very. I, I really, really have been diving into, um, equity work, and I firmly believe that there are sys institutionalized structures in place that, that do prevent some people from getting ahead. So I don't wanna discount those kind of forces that are in place, but I think there's always a, a place where people could look and, and be like, oh yeah, am I choosing? Am I changing or am I choosing like, like there's always a place where we can look at where we are empowered inside of a bigger world that is sort of set up with these things that may or may not be designed to help us. Yeah, absolutely. Now I. The nervous system, I believe is something that is really impacted by a pears's financial situation. Um, and, and let's talk entrepreneurship specifically. It's like feast or famine, you know, and not even entrepreneurship, like people are living paycheck to paycheck. They're always behind, like you said, they're, they're 20% in overspend as a minimum usually. And we are not taught this stuff at schools. Mm-hmm. Like, I, I think that is a. Gross mistake from our government. Like why are we still learning? I don't know what a human nimbus cloud is versus financial emotional intelligence, or why are we learning? Look, even algebra, um, over yeah, really critical conversations and relationships because to me that's bizarre because when you go into university level. High school, you get to choose those and you only need a certain amount of skills for your chosen career, right? Like if you're gonna learn to, for example, I studied radiation therapy and then I got a degree in criminology. Like I had to go right back to physics 1 0 1 and relearn algebra and all those sorts of things. And we would taught that at university. Why are we learning it? In junior school and then even high school if it's not gonna be relevant to your chosen career. I would much rather my kids learn financial literacy, critical conversations, healthy relationships, self-care, you know, those sorts of things. But I mean, that's a whole different revolution in itself. But I do know that the nervous system is highly impacted by a person's financial situation. And I know this comes down to biology that you have. Some knowledge about, so can you explain how on our biology can either help or hinder us when it comes to money? Oh, this is such a big topic. Yeah. So we're gonna start with this. I love nervous system. I love talking about the nervous system and how it impacts money. I'm gonna go back to one of our discussions earlier, which was the familial, like the, the lineage. Mm-hmm. Stuff and. I like to describe it as a computer program and that we are, if we think of our bodies, our nervous systems as a computer, our base programming is installed between like the ages of zero and eight, arguably a little bit more or refined throughout the years, but that base program is installed when we're in our elementary school years, and there's things in that programming that just they're there. So if we don't understand that. That are, there's these base programs installed, like understanding that as an adult will help you relate to like your reactions to things, why you respond to certain things a certain way, pattern sit repeats, like there's so much to unpack about how those first years of our life impact our entire like, experience of the world. I'll, I'll use myself as an example. I had certain beliefs as a child that you start to just accept as normal at a very isolated, like socially isolated teenage years. And so what, because of some of that. And so what happens is then I start to expect that as my normal, and I would, it was interesting how I would almost recreate those situations to be socially isolated or to be rejected. It wasn't until I started to really unpack and understand the root cause of it, that it's like, oh, there's these things that play that are just like, they're these, yeah, default, express play, and the thing happens again, and that the more it gets, it's repeated, the more we kind of accept it as truth in these. Pathways and in our belief systems, and literally in our physiology, in our brain, they kind of get reinforced. So what happens is when we start to unpack that. The root program is always there, but you recognize it. It's like, oh, this is me just wanting to do the thing again. I need to do so again in the moment, I'm choosing to do something different this time to create a different experience. And so we can turn the volume way down, we can temper our reactions. We can like almost train ourselves to do things a little bit different. It doesn't mean they're not always gonna like rear their heads a little bit every now and then, but we start to develop these tools to circumnavigate. When they start to poke up, where it can come up with money again, is in some of those beliefs. And I wanna talk about one that I've seen so many times, and I love what you said about that we're not taught this in school.'cause I adamantly believe that we should be because, well, I will argue actually that I do as a former wilderness guide, yes. I like being able to recognize clouds. So I learned, but calculus in a sign wave, like when have I learned, when have I used sign equations as an adult? Like never. What I would've loved to have understand as a kid is that if I put $10 away at a week or like learned that the habits of saving, which is the point that I wanna make, we're not taught that. And, and neither was I. Actually, this is a great example, and you'll see how it reinforced to this, the farming family leave. So we had to contribute my sibling and I in the household, we had chores to do to contribute to the running of the house, cleaning, whatnot. And that was a really great skill to learn when I started living on my own, that I was always the responsible roommate doing the thing. We were given a very generous allowance as kids, more than many of my friends and peers, but we were also then expected to manage it. Like that was our money for entertainment. If I was gonna the movies with my girlfriends, if I was going to the mall to buy makeup with my little girlfriends, you probably like, I had to be responsible for. What I was buying, 'cause I was only getting this fixed amount of money. If I wanted more, then I would have to work more around the house, do more chores to get more money. So you can see how that subconscious belief was reinforced by that patterning. It wasn't necessarily bad, but what the piece I realized as an adult that was missing was that I wasn't taught to save any of that money. So if my parents had said to me, okay, here's your $20, we're gonna put five of that into. An RESP or an educational savings account or an investment account, like whatever it is, of course, a kid not gonna want to part with it, but the more you normalize it, the easier it will become for them as adults, in my opinion, to save. And I have an ex-coworker who was taught that by. Someone in his family, and he bought his first condo before the age of 30 because he normalized saving. He wasn't frugal. He lived an adventurous life. He was social and engaged, but he saved money. And so he was able to have this incredible asset for himself at a relatively young age. So I think about that one a lot, right? Like the habit of saving and we're just not. Taught that so often, like if you hear the narrative, even in the culture right now, that everyone's struggling, things are tight. I don't have enough, and I'm not saying that those aren't very real for people. I think they are. And it's reinforcing this scarcity mindset. And so coming back to what I said before, if you believe that and you think you're experiencing it, but you haven't looked at your inputs and outputs, I really have to question like, are you 100% positive that there's not areas where you're leaking money that you just haven't looked, so you haven't even really thought about it? Yeah. So I wanna give our listeners and our viewers some practical ways that they can kind of regulate their nervous system, so that they can make more empowered financial decisions. And obviously one practical way is sitting down looking at your numbers like I have, I. Dorky spreadsheet that I fill in every single Monday for my incomings and my outgoings, so I know exactly where I'm at at all times. And I have that for my business. Mm-hmm. And I have it, like I've got an accountant for the business, I have a bookkeeper for the business and it's all run through, you know, an accounting software system. But I still have my spreadsheet, so when I'm sitting here at my desk, I know this is the financial. Situation in the household. This is a financial situation in the business, and it's either A, oh shit, we're in trouble for a, we need to reduce spending. For example, my car insurance is coming up. Okay, maybe it's time to look at comparing different plans because maybe I'm no longer on the best plan. All of these sorts of things. So one obviously practical ways to sit down and find a system that works for you. Look at the numbers. What are some up practical ways that people can regulate their nervous system? So before I answer that question, I think what you said is really important. So when you sit down and look at your numbers, especially when you're just getting started. It can be confronting, right? Like I've said. And so there's a misconception out there. I believe that when we talk about being regulated, that we're like calm and chill and everything's great, and I believe that is a nervous system state. However, if you're gonna sit down and look at your finances for the first time, there's probably a little bit of anxiety. There's probably a little bit of, yeah, you know, all the feels, the guilt and the shame, and I just wanna say that is a normal nervous system response. I don't think that anxiety be expected to go away, like even after a month of doing it, like depending on how, I suppose. Triggered your nervous system is, and your relationship with money. Like I sometimes still sit down and do the spreadsheet. I'm like, woo. Especially at like Christmas time and stuff like that. Like I know it's coming. I know it's gonna be tight, but still that system is triggered. So like you said, I think it's an unrealistic expectation that it's like, oh, well we're all just gonna be calm. You are doing the work. Yeah. And that's the main step. Yeah. And I feel like understanding if having an appropriate reaction. For the situation you're in. That is nervous system regulation. However, what I will say is that if you are feeling overly elevated, so it's not necessarily a scenario that people would find themselves in, but I'm going to use it to make a point. I. If you come home on a Friday after a long work weekend, or sorry, a long week, work week, you're stressed. You're hungry, you're not gonna sit down and do your money at that point. That is like the worst thing, right? Because you have all this other stuff happening and I think that's like, that's the things that we need to tease apart. So I like to do like sit down with my money. On a Saturday morning, because I've usually had a great sleep, the whole weekend is ahead of me. I still work a nine to five job, so my whole weekend is ahead of me. It's when my stress is the lowest, so I have more capacity to sit down and, okay, what's happening with the money this month or this week? If there's something super acute going on. So like you're looking at your money and you get really triggered, I think, to keep pushing through that. Can be detrimental. So just watching yourself like, okay, I've done 15 minutes, that's what I can handle right now. I'm gonna like take a 15 minute walk around the block and come back to it. Right? So just kind of making sure that we're not pushing too much into discomfort, we're keeping it like at a manageable, appropriate level for the situation. If we're spinning too much, I think then we need to like stop associating that response with finance. Does that make sense? I feel like I wasn't quite clear there, but like I feel like there's that a healthy amount of like I. Apprehension that we can have, but there's a point at which we need to stop perpetuating the relationship between this extreme discomfort with money and actually doing it. So in those moments, I mean, it's the typical staff, right? I call it the biggest breath, but like it's increasing your exhales by twice the length of time of your inhale to stimulate your vagus nerve, which will bring you back into your parasympathetic state. It's like literally stepping away, doing anything bilaterally. Walking is the easiest thing. So we're engaging both sides of our body, bringing our brains more into equilibrium. I do EFT tapping a lot. I really, really love that modality because it's. So accessible and so powerful. If people can research emotional freedom technique or tapping, there's lots and lots of resources out there to to do that. So those are a few, and I think the big takeaway for people is just the bilateral. Anything you could do that's you're stimulating both sides of your body in a really easy one actually, is to just cross your arms and tap, tap your shoulders and take some breaths. And it might feel weird in the moment. And I just wanna remind people that like, it's weird because it's not normalized, just like looking your money regularly. It's not normal. It's like as we learn new things, we need to get over ourselves a little bit and try these things to just. See how they're gonna change the situation for us. Right. As part of, again, what we're not changing, we're choosing. So if you're gonna try and change something in your life, you're gonna have to learn to do new things. Yeah, absolutely. Now, for those listening who want to develop a healthier, more empowered relationship with their wealth and finances, what's one key piece of advice you'd give them? What's your most powerful piece of advice? Like step by step? One thing at a time. Any habits. That we wanna change. I'm sure people can relate. Diet's a great one, right? If we wanna like change something about our health, okay, next week I'm gonna start going to the gym three times a week. I'm gonna change my diet completely.

I'm gonna get up at 5:

00 AM Like if we try and do too much at once. We're gonna overwhelm ourselves and like end up back at square one. So if all you do this week is get a finance book and start listening to it, check out some finance podcasts. Follow, maybe delete some CAT Instagram accounts and follow some money Instagram account, like just start easing it into your system. And don't try and do it all in a day. One of the things that really helped me change my perspective in a number of different areas of my life is my self perception. So the example that I use, 'cause I'm a middle aged woman, I'm learning all kinds of different things about how I need to take care of my body. One of which is, you know, I need to start lifting heavy shit more often. And a year ago I was not someone that went to the gym and lifted weights. And over this past year I've become that and now it's a habit. And I had concussion actually last year and I was kind of off everything exercise for two months. I was basically told all you can, I just want you to do stretching and walking. And at the end of that time when I was kind of given all clear to go back to the gym. It was no problem for me to pick it back up because I had the perception that I was a person who lifted weights three times a week, and the fact that I had this thing happen to me. Didn't dissuade that. And so there's a per perception shift that needs to happen around, you could say, I'm someone who's good with my money. I want people to be honest with themselves. And at the beginning it's like, I am learning to be better with my money. Mm-hmm. And the saying that like I am learning to, I think is such a reminder that like it's a process. I mean, I'm still on my, like I have a learning edge with money. I may be five or six years ahead of everybody. There's more advanced things that I'm learning, but there's always a learning edge and to like be comfortable with that little bit of discomfort when you're on the edge of what you're choosing to learn or change in new life. Yeah. Absolutely. Sarah, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us today on all things finances and wealth and nervous system regulation. Before we wind up, we have a tradition here on the book on the show called The Book Drop, and we wanna know what book has either impacted you professionally or personally. The book I love is I listen to it at least once a year. Boundary Boss by Terry Cole. I feel like it is an essential read. Oh, it's so good. I understood what a boundary was, but reading this book really helped me understand all the different boundaries that I was allowed to have. It's just a fantastic book and I think it's a must read for any woman, actually.'cause we have a lot to learn, I feel like in setting boundaries. Amazing. Sarah, thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you, Tarryn. It was lovely to be here. Thanks for tuning into the Tarryn Reeves Show. If today's episode litter firing you, share it with someone who needs to hear it and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss a story that could transform your business. If you're ready to write the book that positions you as the go-to authority in your industry, visit automatic authority.com to find out how we can help you make it happen. Until next time, keep owning your story, leading with impact and building a legacy.