The Untold Truth About Mental Health in Mining: How Worker Are Transforming Their Lives

In this eye-opening episode of The Tarryn Reeves Show, we dive into the challenges and transformations within the mining industry, focusing on the untold truth about mental health and how workers are reclaiming their lives. Tarryn chats with Jason Ryan, founder of The Thrive Dojo, who shares his journey from mining manager to mentor, helping mine workers optimize their time, finances, and mental health.

Jason reflects on his 19 years in mining, revealing pivotal moments that inspired his mission to address financial pitfalls, strained relationships, and declining mental health in the industry. Together, they discuss the impact of the "golden handcuffs," toxic masculinity, and the importance of building resilience, culture, and proactive well-being strategies for workers and their families.

This episode is packed with practical advice, success stories, and actionable steps for anyone in mining—or any high-pressure industry—looking to thrive in life, health, and relationships.

Key Topics:

• The financial traps of mining life and overcoming them
• The mental health crisis and proactive solutions
• Building better physical health habits in heavy industries
• The role of community and culture in personal growth
• Insights from The Thrive Dojo’s unique coaching approach

Listen in to learn how Jason is transforming lives and why his mission to empower mining workers is one that resonates far beyond the industry.

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• The Thrive Dojo
• Instagram
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Transcript

Tarryn Reeves: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Terran Reeves Show, where your journey to empowerment takes center stage. I'm your host, Taryn Reeves, best selling author and publishing expert. Together, we'll dive into the hearts and minds of visionaries, disruptors, and trailblazing leaders to explore the most compelling and thought provoking ideas in life, business, and marketing.

Let's inspire, impact, and ignite. This is The Taryn Reeves Show.

Today I'm joined by Jason Ryan, who is currently enjoying the many benefits of Thailand, and I am very, very jealous. Now, Jason began his career in the mining industry, and he's been there for nearly 19 years as a dump truck operator. He quickly advanced to mining manager within five years due [00:01:00] to his entrepreneurial mindset.

He's now decided to take the insane leap to start his own business in the Thrive Dojo, but his leadership has earned him numerous industry awards over the years for safety, innovation, and cultural transformation. Jason's overseen three mine sites and more than 700 employees. After years of witnessing the challenges faced by mine workers, such as poor money management, strained relationships, and declining mental health, he recognized the toll of long hours and time away from family.

That is when his passion shifted from mining to empowering mine workers to thrive. Enter the Thrive Dojo, a community dedicated to helping mine workers optimize their time in mining and build their ideal lives. Jason, welcome to the Terran Reeves Show. 

Jason Ryan: Thank you, Taryn. Good to be here. 

Tarryn Reeves: Good to have you. Now, as someone having worked in the mining industry myself in the railway, and I ended up actually marrying a mine worker, I can speak firsthand about that [00:02:00] strain that type of industry does have on a relationship, on a family, on a man.

And it is so refreshing to see somebody working in the space to help combat those things so that our men can thrive. So you've seen all of these things happen over the years, but was there any pivotal turning point or any specific incident where you went, you know what? I have to do something. 

Jason Ryan: Yeah, there's, there's a couple of things.

Firstly, probably employed over 800 people in my time in mining. So that's taken them through the interview process and then actually understanding what it is you get on the other side. And what I've found is a pattern of people eager to get into the industry to make the extra money. But the first thing they do is look at how much extra can they loan, once they realize how much they can earn.

So they don't actually get any benefits out of the time in mining apart from increasing their, their lifestyle. And I always [00:03:00] wished, especially the young guys and girls that come into the industry, I wish that I could sit them down and talk to them about money. before they started. But it just isn't appropriate to do that.

So that's why I always had this bit of an itch to go on the other side and actually help people make the most of their time in mining. So that was a pretty big one. The other one was just the fact that so much of the mental health topics and initiatives that are put out, all last minute stuff. Like when your mental health is in such a bad place that you need to go and talk to someone, uh, need to get help for it, but there's not enough information or tactics out there for people to be able to be proactive and actually, uh, build themselves some resilience.

So they're not in a mental health crisis. So probably the two things that really itch me to, to make a difference. And I can see that there's some really good tools that we could teach people to live by Transcribed by https: otter. ai That will really help them in the mental health space. 

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, I [00:04:00] 100 percent agree.

And I think it's such a pity that even the schooling systems, and it's not just the mining industry, the schooling systems aren't set up to teach our kids about money. Like I sure as hell never learned anything about money in school. And then you're thrown into the workforce and you're suddenly earning six figures at the age of 23 or whatever it is.

And then you tend to go a little bit crazy, right? There is a pattern there that you tend to go a bit crazy and you get into debt or unhealthy patterns of And then you're locked into that. Well, I have to keep earning this amount of money, even if I'm unhappy because I have to pay off my debts. Do you believe that that's correct?

Jason Ryan: Yeah, a hundred percent. And I think it's also a matter of people not really knowing who they are. They haven't done the internal work to really understand who they are. And that leaves them in a position where they're trying to show off to the neighbors, keep up with the Joneses. And the other thing is, especially guys that, get into mining, they leave their family for a week or two weeks at a time, and they feel [00:05:00] guilty that they're leaving their family behind.

So they feel the need to buy the latest toys and things like that to fill the void, but it takes them to spend a lot of money to realize that that isn't the answer. 

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, absolutely. So are you specifically talking about fly in fly out workers or just mining in general? 

Jason Ryan: Mining in heavy industry, fly in fly out workers probably have it the toughest.

Because they're away from home, what I see is a pattern of them getting into the mining, getting the bigger wage, trying to fill the gaps with toys and celebrate the extra money. Before they know it, they're still living paycheck to paycheck. They're still having to find the money to pay bills. And then after a while, they realize they need to go back to mining for the next swing.

They don't want to leave their family and they start to feel trapped because when they start looking at other jobs to get out of mining, they realize they can't afford to live on a wage from any other job. So they need to keep that, that wage. And they affectionately call it the golden handcuffs. And it's a big thing in the mining [00:06:00] industry and really plays on people's mental health.

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah. So how do you think that the mental health struggles within the mining community have affected you personally? Have you had a direct experience with somebody who's really struggled with that? Or is it just something you see generally? 

Jason Ryan: Yeah, I've actually had multiple employees. One of them being a supervisor.

It was a direct report to me that actually committed suicide. So over the years, we've definitely seen a good level of that. Some is around pride. Obviously they had some mental issues as well, but certainly a couple of those was solely related around pride. The whole that they've dug for themselves money wise, and they couldn't see themselves getting out of it.

No one really suspected, but we ended up in a position where we had a couple of suicides and it's a tough thing to go through and you feel like your hands are tied to a point and it's really hard to say, I've talked to people when you've got seven, 800 employees, a lot of the time it's the ones that aren't crying out for help.

That probably need it [00:07:00] more than anything. So, hence why I really want to get in on the proactive side of things and help people not get in that mental health crisis space. 

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, definitely. I think it's, um, a very sad situation that we find ourselves in as a society that. I guess we've programmed our men to not feel or not express emotions.

And I know as a woman, that it's so important for the men around me to express feelings. And otherwise, how are you supposed to know? And women are very, very emotional. We're very intuitive. Those sorts of things. And our men, especially, Especially in Australia, my goodness, I taught stiff upper lip and especially in heavy industry and mining, this very toxic masculinity, if you like, that really needs to be addressed and turned around, I'm not saying walk around crying all the time, but if you've got feelings, we've all got feelings, but it's okay to talk and we are seeing movements like.

What does it talk to me, bro? And now the thrive dojo. And I think that it's such a [00:08:00] wonderful move to help our men and therefore our families and our communities, our societies become better. 

Jason Ryan: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And one thing I did see in the industry is a real hunger from partners. They feel a little bit helpless.

To help their partner and you can see a real hunger for them to want something a little bit different. And I think what we at the dojo will bring keeping in mind, I've been coaching for quite a few years now, mostly one on one coaching, and we're only just launching this week. The intent of that community is there's going to be trainings in there.

A lot of proactive stuff, um, a lot around the finances, everything from checklists, cheat sheets, how to set yourself up for turbulent times in the economy, how to set yourself in the best position if redundancies come around. Uh, and those sort of things. So there's something for everyone, but what we also want to do is work really hard on building a good culture in the dojo as well, so that [00:09:00] people come along and there'll be people ahead of you, people behind you, and it's about the community working together to get the best outcomes.

And that might be helping people get promotions, helping people get jobs in the mining industry, helping them set up the structure of their money. And then there's a whole heap of proactive stuff around health, relationships, mindset, and then obviously the money. And what it does is it changes the mindset around the money mindset.

So they go from sort of. Money slipping through your fingers to actually put some structure there and get a bit of an excitement around watching it grow, watching that net worth increase. But the thing with our setup, we've got a program called Focus 5 and that's about brutal facts, talking honesty, being honest with where you are.

And how you actually traveling, making sure, you know, your starting point. So when we put goals together, you're more likely to hit your goals because you know, your starting point. Then we talk about body and we have a lot of challenges, a lot of really good information, but ultimately it's about [00:10:00] the community working together to.

Be better at the end of this month than you were at the end of last month when it comes to your health. And the same with relationships. You'll find that when you get your health right, and you get your relationships right, and you get your money right, it's like eating the elephant one bite at a time.

They actually all feed off of each other. Poor money habits causes tension and friction in relationships. It also means you don't try as hard on your body because you've got all these other stresses and worries going on. And we have a really unique way of actually helping people tick away at each of those different aspects of their life.

You would say it gives a compounding effect. So within a very short period of time, they can see some really good lifestyle changes in their mindset and their functionality. So I think it's a really good program. The only thing we need to wrap around it now is a really good culture. 

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, definitely. So we've touched briefly on finances and mental health.

What about physical health for the heavy [00:11:00] industry? Because having come out of that myself, like I know that there's a lot of obesity, a lot of really unhealthy eating, unhealthy drinking habits, a lot of smoking, that kind of thing. What has been your experience in the physical health realm of the mining industry?

Jason Ryan: In my experience, most people wait until there's a bit of a dilemma. You're on the borderline of getting diabetes. You have a minor heart attack and those sort of things. There's usually some sort of health issue before they make a big change. But what we're trying to do in the dojo is one, scout people out that honestly want to make the change.

They feel a bit stuck and they're looking for something different in that space in their lifestyle. And I guess the results that we deliver are quite quick, though you don't get the whole Plethora of results until you've been doing it for some time, but you can really see that the results will come and you can see how easy it is to get the results.

And I think that helps people that are stuck in eating poor food and that sort of thing. We actually try and change people's identity. So we chip away [00:12:00] at it, we get them around better people. We get them to stop telling the old stories. We get them some good news stories. And then we set some challenges.

So they're doing something drastically different to what they're doing now for an extended period of time. So in 30 days time, you'll be a different person than you are today. That's the intent of the way our dojo is set up. 

Tarryn Reeves: Nice. Now, mental health and suicide are obviously very serious concerns within the industry, serious concerns in general, but specific to the industry, what do you believe needs to change to address these issues?

Jason Ryan: Okay, there's probably two main things that concern me. One is the drug testing on sites. Things like THC stays in the system for a long time. If they went to mouth tests, people would probably take less harder drugs. It's not a topic that a lot of people like to talk about, but the problem is with that sort of testing regime, people will try and take a drug that is quicker to get out [00:13:00] of your system, which means they're taking harder drugs.

Um, so that's not a good start. The reason they're taking the drugs is cause they're already in, got a bit of a mental health crisis going on and they're just trying to numb the pain. So drinking and then drugs. So that's one aspect. And I think the other one is the culture at sites. You could have someone that's in a really good head space.

They get a new boss, the boss is a bit of a bully and all of a sudden they're living a nightmare as opposed to where they're enjoying their job before. So it's really important, the culture that you build, that you have a good set of values, a vision and a mission, and you actually live and breathe those values.

So even personally, if you didn't have a company with a set of values, you're better off making your own set of values and living and breathing them. And it actually does give you quite a bit more mental strength, knowing who you are and what you stand for. You're not pushed around by all the external.

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, absolutely. Now you've been coaching for a while and you've obviously managed and led lots of people [00:14:00] throughout your career in the industry, but I know that you've seen how quickly a life can change with the right guidance. We're chatting about it right now. Can you share some success stories of people that you've mentored?

Jason Ryan: Yeah, absolutely. So there's probably a couple, one in the mining space. Bringing leaders up. I was never a fan of if you're here longer, you get opportunities. It's more on merit based. So I can pick leaders out of the crowd and I'm willing to putting them into a leadership position when they're not quite ready for it, but you can tell they've got that ceiling that's quite high.

So they've got a lot of growth to go. And so that's a really good space to grow a better culture, get the right people in the right seats, and it helps the whole operation, but also they get an opportunity where they're pushing their limits and they're growing quicker than they normally would. And obviously you've got processes for training, whether it's on the job or in the classroom and those sorts of things.

With the coaching itself though, I don't do a lot of work on [00:15:00] mental health directly. A lot of the work we do feeds into the mental health. So it's a lot of challenging work, a lot of getting out of the comfort zone, a lot of reframing, the meaning you put behind things. And then there's a lot of repetition where people just see the patterns and it's almost like they're programming themselves to be stronger, more resilient, those types of things.

But I've certainly had people that have, Put on a heap of muscle, lost a heap of fat, changed their relationships. And it might be the small things, but a lot of people are stuck in the frame of mind that why should I do this when she's not doing this in return and those sorts of things. So we're big on taking responsibility for yourself.

If you want the queen to show up, you need to show up as a king. So it means putting the work in upfront and you'd be amazed at what you get in return by being the bigger person. And at the end of the day, if you want to take control of your life, you've got to, got to lead by example. That's all there is to it.

Yeah, 

Tarryn Reeves: absolutely. I think it's a very interesting mindset is specifically here [00:16:00] in Australia that I've seen. Obviously I'm not from Australia. From Australia. I'm from Africa originally, but I have lived here for over 20 years now. And it is a very interesting cultural experience where there is this air of entitlement.

Like you said, why should I do this? If they're not doing that, or I show up to work, so I should get a lot of money. Or do you know what I mean? Like there's this very interesting kind of dynamic at some point. play from a cultural perspective. And I think the U S tends to have some of this as well, maybe not as much, but I've definitely seen it rampant here in Australia, and I think that can be quite damaging to how people can thrive.

Because if you're in that year of entitlement and what they owe me and this kind of us versus them attitude in the industry and then playing it in the relationships that we have. As well. I go to work and I own six figures. What is she doing? These sorts of things. So what is your perspective on that? I know that you're Australian and that you've been brought up in this and we was [00:17:00] chatting before you haven't really traveled either.

Now you're in a third world country. What's your perspective on all of that? 

Jason Ryan: I've got very strong opinions on entitlement and the victim mentality. Same deal. I think you need to take responsibility of absolutely everything in your life. It might not be your fault, but it is your problem. Um, no, one's going to come save you.

You need to save yourself. So I definitely see a lot of the entitlement in the mining industry. And I also see a lot of entitlement just in the bigger corporate industries. I guess at the end of the day for the dojo. It's not a massive concern for me, because we hope to filter most of those people out prior to coming in.

However, we do have a 3th Thrive Dojo, which we'll be putting all of the resources in, so people can go in there and get all the resources. And that won't be as heavily, uh, I guess, policed for culture. When we talk about going into the paid, the Thrive Dojo itself, very different ball game. There'll be a [00:18:00] onboarding process.

We'll need to make sure that they fit a certain criteria. Cause at the end of the day, what people are paying for is the culture. It is the people that they're going to be around. And that's part of that identity change is being around better people. If we just. people in there that don't take responsibility and blaming everyone but themselves.

It's not going to be conducive to what we're trying to do. So we will be very strict on that side of things. Free doesn't often mean results. We'll have the free community because people can go in there, get a taste for it. And if they want to come into the paid community, hopefully they pick up some of the way we do business and they can bring that with them into the paid community.

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, it is true that you become like the people you surround yourself with. So choosing who you get into your space, even family wise, friends wise, work wise, it's so important who you allow access to and the boundaries that you put in for yourself about what you will and will not accept behavior wise for people who play in your arena.

Now, if somebody is [00:19:00] struggling with their mental health, finances, relationships, that sort of thing, how can they take the first step towards turning things around even if they feel stuck? Can you give us some practical advice? 

Jason Ryan: Depending on what space they're in, but just to give you an example, I did have a gentleman that worked for me and he pretty much couldn't get out of bed.

He was in a whole world of pain mentally and, uh, and he just couldn't shake it. And what I asked him to do was to Today, I want you to drink a liter of water and I want you to get out of the house, get dressed and go for a walk around the block. And I just want you to achieve those two things. Cause half the time when people are in a bad space, they just need someone to cling onto, they just need someone to tell them what's the next step you need me to do.

And then go do that, get a couple of wins on the board and then move to the next step. With what we try and do in the dojo is actually we try and paint the picture for them where they could be and show them how it is that they get there. So they can see it's not that hard. They've just got to do a few tasks a day to [00:20:00] get that balance in their life.

And they'll start to see the results. And we've got a heap of cheats that we can help them get some good wins on the board really quickly. And it's just a lot of things that people don't think about that they can do to improve their life. And sometimes. You don't need any extra time to do them. There are things you can do in the car, things you can do while you're exercising.

But the biggest things for mental health is you need to do something physical every single day. You need to hydrate yourself. And I suggest putting some sea salt or some Celtic sea salt or Himalayan rock salt in your water. It makes it like an electrolyte, helps with hydrating. But more so than anything, water actually helps you detoxify.

It gets you in a better mental state straight away because you're hydrated. You're pushing some of the toxins out of your body and then you're exercising every day. And then obviously you can go to things like eating whole foods. And then there's some really good stuff you can do around relationships as well.

Just basic things like have an intention when you get home from work this week. And my intention is to just [00:21:00] listen, just really get to understand my partner. So there's some things like that you can do. And even when you go back to work and you fly out. You can have some fun with writing a heap of notes and leaving them around the house for them to find during your blog.

Gives a sense to the partner and the family that you're still around. And it causes more conversation, more communication. It's just more interaction parts that you get with your partner and your family. Some people think they're silly, but honestly, I've never heard anyone say that. So that was a waste of my time.

Tarryn Reeves: I am not together with my husband anymore. And the work was a big part of the reason our relationship fell apart. And I think things like notes, cause all the partner is craving in my experience is connection. And then you add kids to the mix and you're left. Basically being a single parent all the time, and you know, resentment can build, lack of communication happens, lack of connection, date night stop, and that is so damaging to a relationship, I [00:22:00] believe.

So, you know, keep notes around the house while people may think it's bad. Silly to your partner, they would really value that connection. We'll put a smile on their face. Even if they do think it's silly, they might have a little heart. That's funny. There's still that connection that happens without being face to face.

So I think that's a brilliant idea to all the men listening. 

Jason Ryan: Take note. Yeah, absolutely. And it does make a big difference, but when you think about it too, a lot of the things that couples fight about are things that notoriously we don't talk about money, we don't talk about, we avoid it, especially if you're no good with money and you've got no structure around your money, we tend to just avoid that conversation, but we argued about the results we're getting from it.

Sex could be the same thing. You know, someone's not fulfilled because they're not communicating their desires. And same thing, you might fight about something else, but the root cause is the thing you're not communicating about. 

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, a hundred percent. So my question then becomes within the dojo, do you teach people what I call conscious [00:23:00] communication?

Do you teach people how to have these hard conversations, approach these topics that maybe are still a little bit taboo? 

Jason Ryan: For sure. We don't get too technical about it, but we talk about it regularly in our coaching. So we'll have threads about it. We'll have cheat sheets, you'll have lessons, and then we'll have Q and A sessions where people can actually ask the questions.

And if we can normalize it by talking about it a lot in the coaching group, it'll make it a lot easier for them to have those conversations outside of the coaching group. Now, one thing we're doing quite uniquely is we're actually inviting partners to become part of the group. At no extra charge, it'll be a whole separate set up.

So they're not going to be under the same account. They'll have their own account. It'll be free. But when you come for coaching, part of the coaching is your partner, your family. So we want them to be involved in it. So then they're having those conversations openly in the group or at least part of the conversation, even if they're just listening to it now.

They've [00:24:00] got something more to talk about outside of the coaching in their personal time. 

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah, I think that's brilliant. Now, I'm curious how your own experience in mining has influenced the way that you specifically approach mentoring and leadership. 

Jason Ryan: Certainly in later years, We grew to well over 700 employees and we do a lot of roadshows across three mine sites, four crews.

It's a significant, I think to get across all our crews it's something like 25 meetings we've got to go to meet with all our crews, so it's quite significant. So a lot of talking in front of groups. You understand and you get feedback on what's working and what resonates with your crews. What makes them want to change and you integrate that into what you do.

So a lot of time talking in front of people, a lot of video recording messages, especially during COVID we put a lot of messages out by video. And then I had just such a good quality leadership team working for me that you're throwing ball with people that. Think really well, quite [00:25:00] productive, that hold you to account.

And we bred a really good leadership culture in my time there. So that's certainly helped me when it comes to mentoring other people. And I'll probably see myself more as a mentor than a coach. Hence why I really want to build the community side of things. So it's not all about me. It's about them, the results they're getting, them working together, and I'll just put the sugar on top.

We could all do 

Tarryn Reeves: with a bit of sugar, right? Now, if you could send one message. Just one, two mining companies about the well being of their workers, what would it be? 

Jason Ryan: The biggest message I would say is get them some real support. Get them something and I do see mining companies get personal trainers and those sort of things, which it does get more people into the gym, which is fantastic to see, but something more holistic that covers relationships, your health and wellness, your mindset, your money.

If mining companies could back something like that for their people, it would make a [00:26:00] huge difference. There's all different cultures. There's a lot of victims and poor me's out there. They're sort of people that would take a wall to grow up. to want to join something like this anyway, they don't see the point of being proactive around those things.

They leave it until it's needs to be reactive. But if I could say one thing to mining companies is do your homework, find someone who's good and actually even go out and get their help and bring it back there for the crews. Because if you had all your crew members in a good mental health space, it's It'll be so much easier for them to come back to work.

There'll be so much more pleasant. There'll be more mental capacity to learn and grow and get better at what they do out there. So I think it would pay dividends for mining companies. I 

Tarryn Reeves: agree more. There'd be less staff turnover. There'd be a happier workforce, which means a productive workforce. And as a business owner, who wouldn't want that?

Jason Ryan: Absolutely. Absolutely. And you'll become the employer of choice because word will get around that you get all these benefit and people are quite happy with [00:27:00] it. And the way we've set up our coaching is that it's like a buffet. You can pick and choose what works for you. We have a standard program that everyone uses to, like I said, eat that elephant one bite at a time.

Yeah. And get good balance in their life. And, uh, I've yet to see someone's gone through the program and hasn't really grown and made a visual, physical, and financial difference to their life. 

Tarryn Reeves: Mm-Hmm. Now, Jason, we have a tradition here on the podcast called the Book Drop, and we want to know what book has impacted your life, either personally or professionally?

Jason Ryan (2): It has impacted my life the most. One book that's had a massive impact on my life is As a Man Thinketh by James Allen. It's one of those rare books that are really short, really easy to read, but incredibly deep and changes over time. It's full of golden nuggets. You can read a single paragraph and you can spend the rest of the day unpacking it.

And [00:28:00] what I love most is how as you grow and mature yourself, the book evolves with you. It starts to pull new meanings, deeper meanings, and you look at things differently and it keeps the journey going. It's actually a book that I used to carry around with me all the time and I gave it away quite often and had to reorder books for myself.

So it's a pretty crazy book and it's made a big impact on my life. I read a lot of books and I listen to a lot of books. That's the one that I keep going back to. It's like my comfort book. I always know there's a golden nugget in there that's coming for me. So it's taught me how to think, show me how my thoughts shape my reality and help me define who I am and what I stand for.

And I think they're the two most powerful things, who I am and what I stand for, because when you go into a shopping center and there's some people hassling you at the door to raise money for something, if you know who you are and what you stand for, and you've got those things pre organized, it's easy to say, no, I donate to this charity, [00:29:00] or I put time into this charity.

It makes life heaps easier because you know, um, for you, um, It's really easy to build boundaries. So that's probably the book that's really impacted my life the most. And it's one that I still continue to read to today. 

Tarryn Reeves: Yeah. Well, Jason, I love what you're doing with the Thrive Dojo. Thank you for leading the way in making our mining industries better.

And who knows, maybe the Thrive Dojo will go global. At some stage outside of Australia, which would be so epic. I can definitely see that happening for you. For those of you who want to check out the Thrive Dojo or just go and hang out with Jason, connect with him on social media. I am going to pop all of those links in the show notes.

So definitely go and check them out. Jason, thank you so much. 

Jason Ryan: No worries. Thank you. It's been great to talk.

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